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Category Archives: Stop and frisk
OH3: Going right into pockets was an invalid frisk
The state failed to prove the necessity for a stop and frisk because the video shows the officer going right into defendant’s pockets and not frisking. State v. Barnes, 2024-Ohio-5865, 2024 Ohio App. LEXIS 4519 (3d Dist. Dec. 16, 2024). … Continue reading
MI: Leatherman tool on belt could be considered weapon for frisk
Defendant was well-known to be a meth abuser, and when he was stopped for a traffic offense and had a Leatherman tool on him, that could be considered usable as a weapon. People v. Babcock, 2024 Mich. App. LEXIS 9506 … Continue reading
Leftovers
2255 petitioner fails to show grounds for a CoA from his search claims, without telling us the rationale. United States v. Renteria, 2024 U.S. App. LEXIS 30239 (5th Cir. Nov. 26, 2024).* Defendant’s stop and frisk was without reasonable suspicion. … Continue reading
CA7: 13 months of pole camera surveillance was not unreasonable
Thirteen months of pole camera surveillance of the public areas outside defendant’s home were reasonable under United States v. Tuggle, 4 F.4th 505, 511 (7th Cir. 2021), and the court declines to reconsider that case. The officers saw no more … Continue reading
N.D.Cal.: Second frisk at scene of SW was still with RS
Defendant was frisked a second time during execution of a search warrant, and a gun was found. The second frisker didn’t know about the first. There was still reasonable suspicion for a frisk that he was armed and dangerous. United … Continue reading
D.S.D.: Resistance to a frisk can help justify it
Aside from there being a basis for a frisk, defendant’s resistance to it justified it under circuit precedent. United States v. Gatnoor, 2024 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 191729 (D.S.D. Oct. 18, 2024). “We agree that, on this record, Burks failed to … Continue reading
NYT: N.Y.P.D. Unwilling to Discipline Officers for Stop and Frisk, Report Says
NYT: N.Y.P.D. Unwilling to Discipline Officers for Stop and Frisk, Report Says by Benjamin Weiser & Maria Cramer (“The department’s discipline for illegal street detentions is lax at every level, according to an extraordinary review ordered by a federal judge.”) … Continue reading
MD: No fixed distance for SI; here, handcuffed def’s coat
Officers entered with an arrest warrant and found defendant in bed. He was handcuffed. Getting his clothing to dress him, a gun was found in a coat. This was valid as a search incident, despite his being handcuffed. Also, there … Continue reading
IL: Taking the keys to a car can still be only a Terry seizure, not an arrest
Taking the keys to a car can still be only a Terry seizure, not an arrest. Reasonable suspicion not decided below, so remanded. People v. Pellegrino, 2024 IL App (2d) 230343, 2024 Ill. App. LEXIS 1675 (July 18, 2024). Defendant’s … Continue reading
D.Md.: Asking a person to be frisked what’s on him can’t be used to justify the frisk
Asking a person about whether he has anything on him about sharp objects is reasonable and related to the frisk. Any admission cannot, however, be used to justify the frisk. United States v. Freeman, 2024 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 123297 (D. … Continue reading
CA5: Exigency is measured objectively, not subjectively
“Borden argues the officers’ actions indicate they did not actually think a medical emergency existed, but their subjective beliefs are irrelevant. See Toussaint, 838 F.3d at 509. Given the totality of the circumstances, a reasonable view of the evidence supports … Continue reading
E.D.Mo.: Protective sweep permissible even after def removed from premises
A protective sweep is for persons, and it is reasonable to conduct one after defendant was removed from the premises. United States v. Spann, 2024 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 105082 (E.D. Mo. Apr. 15, 2024),* adopted, 2024 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 104446 … Continue reading
E.D.Pa.: “Furtive movements can support reasonable suspicion that an individual is armed, justifying a frisk.”
“Furtive movements can support reasonable suspicion that an individual is armed, justifying a frisk. Moorefield, 111 F.3d at 14. An officer ‘need not be absolutely certain’ that movements are an attempt to ‘hide narcotics or a firearm’ for ‘the issue … Continue reading
E.D.Cal.: Change in facts after SW application emailed to USMJ but before signing wasn’t material or knowing false statement
There was no Franks violation where the government emailed to the USMJ the search warrant request where defendant was arranging to meet an officer in a sting operation before defendant called off the meeting. This change wasn’t material to the … Continue reading
D.D.C.: Here, RS was thin, and frisking under jacket was unreasonable
The reasonable suspicion here is thin at best, but, even if there was enough for a stop, there wasn’t for a frisk. Going under defendant’s “jacket to feel his waist and groin area” was unreasonable because there wasn’t suspicion he … Continue reading
CA: Avoiding the police in a high crime area isn’t RS
Defendant’s avoiding the police and not wanting to interact with them did not rise to reasonable suspicion, even in a high crime area. The officers before the trial court didn’t articulate enough to show there was reasonable suspicion here. People … Continue reading
DC: A backpack left in a house and to be retrieved wasn’t abandoned
Defendant did not abandon his backpack that he left in the house he had a connection to. He intended to come back and get it. His reasonable expectation of privacy was objectively reasonable. United States v. Pope, 2024 D.C. App. … Continue reading
LA4: Merely having a concealed firearm isn’t RS for a frisk
“The State asserts that the evidence should not be suppressed because the NOPD was entitled to conduct a La. C.Cr.P. art. 215.1, ‘Terry stop’ on Mr. Green, which would have revealed the firearm. See Terry v. Ohio, …. However, the … Continue reading
CA6: Asking def before a patdown during arrest what he had on him wasn’t barred by Miranda
Asking defendant before a patdown during arrest what he had on him wasn’t barred by Miranda. United States v. Lester, 2024 U.S. App. LEXIS 9162 (6th Cir. Apr. 16, 2024). The evidence supports the trial court’s conclusion defendant consented to … Continue reading
WA: No immediate bail for DV arrest violates neither 4A nor due process
A no bail arrest for domestic violence until the first appearance violates neither the Fourth Amendment nor due process. State v. Clare, 2024 Wash. App. LEXIS 462 (Mar. 12, 2024). CoA denied. Petitioner doesn’t show that his state Fourth Amendment … Continue reading