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"Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
–Josh Billings (pseudonym of Henry Wheeler Shaw), Josh Billings on Ice, and Other Things (1868) (erroneously attributed to Robert Louis Stevenson, among others) -
“I am still learning.”
—Domenico Giuntalodi (but misattributed to Michelangelo Buonarroti (common phrase throughout 1500's)). -
"Love work; hate mastery over others; and avoid intimacy with the government."
—Shemaya, in the Thalmud -
"It is a pleasant world we live in, sir, a very pleasant world. There are bad people in it, Mr. Richard, but if there were no bad people, there would be no good lawyers."
—Charles Dickens, “The Old Curiosity Shop ... With a Frontispiece. From a Painting by Geo. Cattermole, Etc.” 255 (1848) -
"A system of law that not only makes certain conduct criminal, but also lays down rules for the conduct of the authorities, often becomes complex in its application to individual cases, and will from time to time produce imperfect results, especially if one's attention is confined to the particular case at bar. Some criminals do go free because of the necessity of keeping government and its servants in their place. That is one of the costs of having and enforcing a Bill of Rights. This country is built on the assumption that the cost is worth paying, and that in the long run we are all both freer and safer if the Constitution is strictly enforced."
—Williams v. Nix, 700 F. 2d 1164, 1173 (8th Cir. 1983) (Richard Sheppard Arnold, J.), rev'd Nix v. Williams, 467 US. 431 (1984). -
"The criminal goes free, if he must, but it is the law that sets him free. Nothing can destroy a government more quickly than its failure to observe its own laws, or worse, its disregard of the charter of its own existence."
—Mapp v. Ohio, 367 U.S. 643, 659 (1961). -
"Any costs the exclusionary rule are costs imposed directly by the Fourth Amendment."
—Yale Kamisar, 86 Mich.L.Rev. 1, 36 n. 151 (1987). -
"There have been powerful hydraulic pressures throughout our history that bear heavily on the Court to water down constitutional guarantees and give the police the upper hand. That hydraulic pressure has probably never been greater than it is today."
— Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, 39 (1968) (Douglas, J., dissenting). -
"The great end, for which men entered into society, was to secure their property."
—Entick v. Carrington, 19 How.St.Tr. 1029, 1066, 95 Eng. Rep. 807 (C.P. 1765) -
"It is a fair summary of history to say that the safeguards of liberty have frequently been forged in controversies involving not very nice people. And so, while we are concerned here with a shabby defrauder, we must deal with his case in the context of what are really the great themes expressed by the Fourth Amendment."
—United States v. Rabinowitz, 339 U.S. 56, 69 (1950) (Frankfurter, J., dissenting) -
"The course of true law pertaining to searches and seizures, as enunciated here, has not–to put it mildly–run smooth."
—Chapman v. United States, 365 U.S. 610, 618 (1961) (Frankfurter, J., concurring). -
"A search is a search, even if it happens to disclose nothing but the bottom of a turntable."
—Arizona v. Hicks, 480 U.S. 321, 325 (1987) -
"For the Fourth Amendment protects people, not places. What a person knowingly exposes to the public, even in his own home or office, is not a subject of Fourth Amendment protection. ... But what he seeks to preserve as private, even in an area accessible to the public, may be constitutionally protected."
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“Experience should teach us to be most on guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded
rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.”
—United States v. Olmstead, 277 U.S. 438, 479 (1925) (Brandeis, J., dissenting)
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“Liberty—the freedom from unwarranted intrusion by government—is as easily lost through insistent nibbles by government officials who seek to do their jobs too well as by those whose purpose it is to oppress; the piranha can be as deadly as the shark.”
—United States v. $124,570, 873 F.2d 1240, 1246 (9th Cir. 1989) -
"You can't always get what you want / But if you try sometimes / You just might find / You get what you need."
—Mick Jagger & Keith Richards, Let it Bleed (album, 1969) -
"In Germany, they first came for the communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for
the Catholics and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic. Then they came
for me–and by that time there was nobody left to speak up."
—Martin Niemöller (1945) [he served seven years in a concentration camp] -
“Children grow up thinking the adult world is ordered, rational, fit for purpose. It’s crap. Becoming a man is realising that it’s all rotten. Realising how to celebrate that rottenness, that’s freedom.”
– John le Carré, The Night Manager (1993), line by Richard Roper -
"The point of the Fourth Amendment, which often is not grasped by zealous officers, is not that it denies law enforcement the support of the usual inferences which reasonable men draw from evidence. Its protection consists in requiring that those inferences be drawn by a neutral and detached magistrate instead of being judged by the officer engaged in the often competitive enterprise of ferreting out crime."
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The book was dedicated in the first (1982) and sixth (2025) editions to Justin William Hall (1975-2025). He was three when this project started in 1978.
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Category Archives: Reasonable suspicion
S.D.N.Y.: Franks challenge that SW general allegation about sex traffickers doesn’t apply to def isn’t false at this stage
Defendant is alleged to be involved in a sex trafficking operation that spanned nearly 20 years. His Franks motion is denied. One of the things he mentions was that he wasn’t involved with the Bloods in a long time, but … Continue reading
D.Mont.: RS for stop near the border when driving appeared evasive; on stop there were furtive movements
The court finds reasonable suspicion for defendant’s stop near the Canadian border. The officer was following but without blue lights on, and the car was attempting to evade the officer by driving fast on a poorly maintained road. On the … Continue reading
D.D.C.: Given RS for a stop, a full search of backpack exceeded Terry
Defendant was validly stopped under Terry, but the search of his backpack was unreasonable and amounted to a virtual search incident to arrest. “But the cases cited by the government, including United States v. Holmes, indicate precisely the opposite. Absent … Continue reading
IN: Even though def called off drug deal with CI at last minute there still was RS
The CI was working off his own charges. The CI had to make several tries to make a deal with defendant, and, when it happened, there was advance planning related by the CI. They also were talking on a cell … Continue reading
D.D.C.: Flight from a potential encounter in a high crime area is RS; detention after that was reasonable based on collective knowledge
Flight from a potential encounter in a high crime area is reasonable suspicion. Detention after that was reasonable based on collective knowledge. The court also addresses at length vertical and horizontal collective knowledge and follows the Fourth Circuit rule that … Continue reading
MI: Def’s admission he took a sleeping pill before driving added to PC for his blood
The affidavit for the blood search warrant here included that defendant admitted taking some kind of sleeping pill before driving and getting in the accident. That was probable cause and the good faith exception applies in any event. People v. … Continue reading
M.D.Tenn.: Def’s continual distancing himself in pleadings and at hearing from the cell phone at issue shows no standing
Defendant went to great lengths to distance himself from telephone 3 that was tracked in the suppression motion and hearing. Therefore, he has no standing to challenge the collection of CSLI on it. Carpenter and Byrd do not, as defendant … Continue reading
CA4: Def who pled standing gets benefit of Byrd for standing in his rental car but loses on RS
Defendant preserved his Byrd argument that he had standing in the rental car, and he gets the benefit of it. On the merits, the officer had reasonable suspicion: Swisher Sweets cigars, sandwich bags without associated stuff, and just sprayed with … Continue reading
CA3: Expired rental agreement justified extending the stop
Defendant’s rental agreement had expired, and calling the rental company prolonged the stop. Whether the dog alerted or not wasn’t obvious on the dashcam video, but the district court found that it did, and that’s a found fact, and it’s … Continue reading
CO: Person arrested at MJ grow but not charged can get his seized property back
An uncharged person originally arrested at an alleged illegal marijuana grow has standing to recover his own property seized from him. Boudette v. State, 2018 COA 109, 2018 Colo. App. LEXIS 1036 (July 26, 2018). Defendant’s bicycle rack on the … Continue reading
N.D.Iowa: Reasonable mistaken identity justified stop
Defendant’s stop was based on reasonable suspicion he was in the country illegally, but it was a case of mistaken identity. “Defendant was observed emerging from the vicinity of the target’s residence. Defendant closely resembled the target. Any discrepancy between … Continue reading
CA11: “The record shows” without showing it is not a Franks “substantial preliminary showing”
Defendant failed to make an offer of proof as required by Franks. Merely saying “the record shows” or something like that without more is not a “substantial preliminary showing.” United States v. Ward, 2018 U.S. App. LEXIS 20674 (11th Cir. … Continue reading
OR: Late night stop of apparently intoxicated driver permits officer to ask about weapons
During a stop for suspected DUI late at night, the officer can legitimately ask the defendant whether he is armed. State v. Miller, 363 Ore. 374, 2018 Ore. LEXIS 602 (July 26, 2018):
CA3: What is a “Rodriquz moment” in dicta, not even decided
A long and interesting, albeit ultimately unnecessary, discussion of Rodriquez and what is a “Rodriguez moment.” There was reasonable suspicion on the totality for a longer detention. United States v. Green, 2018 U.S. App. LEXIS 20655 (3d Cir. July 25, … Continue reading
OH & MO: Erratic driving justifies stop
Defendant’s stop was justified, and, during the stop, probable cause developed that he was operating under the influence. State v. Dallman, 2018-Ohio-2670, 2018 Ohio App. LEXIS 2890 (12th Dist. July 9, 2018).* Defendant’s erratic driving of swerving within his lane … Continue reading
CA9: Def’s 22 minute detention was reasonable because he wouldn’t properly ID himself
Defendant’s 22-minute detention was reasonable because he was lying about who he was, and officers had a right to know. United States v. Thompson, 2018 U.S. App. LEXIS 18603 (9th Cir. July 9, 2018). Defendant’s vehicle was outside a house … Continue reading
D.Minn.: USMJ’s order to disclose all CIs is overbroad; not if they aren’t trial witnesses
The USMJ’s order to disclose all information about the informants was overbroad because it included informant’s who are not trial witnesses. It is limited to those who are trial witnesses. United States v. Bias, 2018 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 112605 (D. … Continue reading
D.S.D.: Pole camera surveillance was troubling, but for def being on supervised release with a reduced REP
Pole camera surveillance of defendant may have been intrusive, and the court is sensitive to the ability of a pole camera to invade on privacy, but this case turns on defendant being on supervised release with a lower expectation of … Continue reading