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by John Wesley Hall
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"If it was easy, everybody would be doing it. It isn't, and they don't."
—Me -
"Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
–Josh Billings (pseudonym of Henry Wheeler Shaw), Josh Billings on Ice, and Other Things (1868) (erroneously attributed to Robert Louis Stevenson, among others) -
“I am still learning.”
—Domenico Giuntalodi (but misattributed to Michelangelo Buonarroti (common phrase throughout 1500's)). -
"Love work; hate mastery over others; and avoid intimacy with the government."
—Shemaya, in the Thalmud -
"It is a pleasant world we live in, sir, a very pleasant world. There are bad people in it, Mr. Richard, but if there were no bad people, there would be no good lawyers."
—Charles Dickens, “The Old Curiosity Shop ... With a Frontispiece. From a Painting by Geo. Cattermole, Etc.” 255 (1848) -
"A system of law that not only makes certain conduct criminal, but also lays down rules for the conduct of the authorities, often becomes complex in its application to individual cases, and will from time to time produce imperfect results, especially if one's attention is confined to the particular case at bar. Some criminals do go free because of the necessity of keeping government and its servants in their place. That is one of the costs of having and enforcing a Bill of Rights. This country is built on the assumption that the cost is worth paying, and that in the long run we are all both freer and safer if the Constitution is strictly enforced."
—Williams v. Nix, 700 F. 2d 1164, 1173 (8th Cir. 1983) (Richard Sheppard Arnold, J.), rev'd Nix v. Williams, 467 US. 431 (1984). -
"The criminal goes free, if he must, but it is the law that sets him free. Nothing can destroy a government more quickly than its failure to observe its own laws, or worse, its disregard of the charter of its own existence."
—Mapp v. Ohio, 367 U.S. 643, 659 (1961). -
"Any costs the exclusionary rule are costs imposed directly by the Fourth Amendment."
—Yale Kamisar, 86 Mich.L.Rev. 1, 36 n. 151 (1987). -
"There have been powerful hydraulic pressures throughout our history that bear heavily on the Court to water down constitutional guarantees and give the police the upper hand. That hydraulic pressure has probably never been greater than it is today."
— Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, 39 (1968) (Douglas, J., dissenting). -
"The great end, for which men entered into society, was to secure their property."
—Entick v. Carrington, 19 How.St.Tr. 1029, 1066, 95 Eng. Rep. 807 (C.P. 1765) -
"It is a fair summary of history to say that the safeguards of liberty have frequently been forged in controversies involving not very nice people. And so, while we are concerned here with a shabby defrauder, we must deal with his case in the context of what are really the great themes expressed by the Fourth Amendment."
—United States v. Rabinowitz, 339 U.S. 56, 69 (1950) (Frankfurter, J., dissenting) -
"The course of true law pertaining to searches and seizures, as enunciated here, has not–to put it mildly–run smooth."
—Chapman v. United States, 365 U.S. 610, 618 (1961) (Frankfurter, J., concurring). -
"A search is a search, even if it happens to disclose nothing but the bottom of a turntable."
—Arizona v. Hicks, 480 U.S. 321, 325 (1987) -
"For the Fourth Amendment protects people, not places. What a person knowingly exposes to the public, even in his own home or office, is not a subject of Fourth Amendment protection. ... But what he seeks to preserve as private, even in an area accessible to the public, may be constitutionally protected."
—Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347, 351 (1967) -
“Experience should teach us to be most on guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded
rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.”
—United States v. Olmstead, 277 U.S. 438, 479 (1925) (Brandeis, J., dissenting)
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“Liberty—the freedom from unwarranted intrusion by government—is as easily lost through insistent nibbles by government officials who seek to do their jobs too well as by those whose purpose it is to oppress; the piranha can be as deadly as the shark.”
—United States v. $124,570, 873 F.2d 1240, 1246 (9th Cir. 1989) -
"You can't always get what you want / But if you try sometimes / You just might find / You get what you need."
—Mick Jagger & Keith Richards, Let it Bleed (album, 1969) -
"In Germany, they first came for the communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for
the Catholics and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic. Then they came
for me–and by that time there was nobody left to speak up."
—Martin Niemöller (1945) [he served seven years in a concentration camp] -
“Children grow up thinking the adult world is ordered, rational, fit for purpose. It’s crap. Becoming a man is realising that it’s all rotten. Realising how to celebrate that rottenness, that’s freedom.”
– John le Carré, The Night Manager (1993), line by Richard Roper -
"The point of the Fourth Amendment, which often is not grasped by zealous officers, is not that it denies law enforcement the support of the usual inferences which reasonable men draw from evidence. Its protection consists in requiring that those inferences be drawn by a neutral and detached magistrate instead of being judged by the officer engaged in the often competitive enterprise of ferreting out crime."
—Johnson v. United States, 333 U.S. 10, 13-14 (1948) -
The book was dedicated in the first (1982) and sixth (2025) editions to Justin William Hall (1975-2025). He was three when this project started in 1978.
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Category Archives: Third Party Doctrine
GA: State computer privacy statute doesn’t protect IP information from third-party disclosure
A state computer privacy statute cannot be interpreted to protect IP information from administrative subpoena. The state courts have already held it isn’t protected because it’s third-party information. Courtney v. State, 2017 Ga. App. LEXIS 56 (Feb. 17, 2017): Here, … Continue reading
WaPo: How to stop data collection on your Vizio (or other smart) television
WaPo: How to stop data collection on your Vizio (or other smart) television by Hayley Tsukayama:
WaPo: These smart TVs were apparently spying on their owners [mere third party data?]
WaPo: These smart TVs were apparently spying on their owners by Hayley Tsukayama. So, if this is third party data, is it subject to mere subpoena and not a search warrant? Feel free to be creeped out. I have a … Continue reading
New Law Review: “The Positive Law Model of the Fourth Amendment,” for evaluating new technological problems and the third-party doctrine
New Law Review: “The Positive Law Model of the Fourth Amendment,” 129 Harv. L. Rev. 1821 (2016) by William Baude & James Y. Stern: For fifty years, courts have used a “reasonable expectation of privacy” standard to define “searches” under … Continue reading
WaPo: Companies may be willing to pay for data from Fitbits, other wearable sensors
WaPo: Companies may be willing to pay for data from Fitbits, other wearable sensors by Des Bieler: Naturally, privacy concerns abound here, and Olshansky emphasized that he was ‘acutely sensitive to those issues.’ He added: ‘We think that personal health … Continue reading
American Banker: IRS Quest for Coinbase Data Sets Dangerous Precedent
American Banker: IRS Quest for Coinbase Data Sets Dangerous Precedent by Jerry Brito:
WA prescription drug monitoring program doesn’t violate 4A or state const’l rights of physicians
The Washington prescription drug monitoring program records do not violate the Fourth Amendment or state constitutional rights of physicians. Alsager v. Bd. of Osteopathic Med. & Surgery, 2016 Wash. App. LEXIS 2768 (Nov. 15, 2016):
E.D.Pa.: CSLI warrant upheld
CSLI warrant upheld: “ The cell site data obtained by the government is admissible because the government’s actions did not constitute a ‘search’ falling under the protection of the Fourth Amendment. Even if the government had violated the Fourth Amendment, … Continue reading
GA: Police entry onto the curtilage to look into the car windows for a plain view was unreasonable
Police entry onto the curtilage to look into the car windows for a plain view was unreasonable. State v. Vickers, 2016 Ga. App. LEXIS 610 (Nov. 1, 2016). While there may have been some remedy to the defendant Kentucky Open … Continue reading
OR: Adm subpoena was within agency’s power; third party doctrine issue saved for later with better facts
The administrative subpoena issued here by the Oregon Department of Consumer and Business Services was “squarely” within its statutory investigative power of regulating unregistered securities. “Given the factual and legal posture in which this issue arises, we resolve this case … Continue reading
WaPo: Facebook, Twitter and Instagram sent feeds that helped police track minorities in Ferguson and Baltimore, report says
WaPo: Facebook, Twitter and Instagram sent feeds that helped police track minorities in Ferguson and Baltimore, report says by Craig Timberg and Elizabeth Dwoskin: A powerful surveillance program that police used for tracking racially charged protests in Baltimore and Ferguson, … Continue reading
NE: Third party doctrine unchanged: CSLI has no REP
Defendant’s CSLI information was obtained by court order under the Stored Communications Act, and defendant had no reasonable expectation of privacy in this third party information. State v. Jenkins, 294 Neb. 684, 2016 Neb. LEXIS 133 (Sept. 9, 2016):
CA7: No REP in IP address because it is broadcast
There is no reasonable expectation of privacy in the IP address one is using because it’s broadcast far and wide. It is a mere business record under the third party doctrine, and Jones doesn’t alter the third party doctrine. United … Continue reading
IN: CSLI is intrusive and protected by 4A; not a mere third party record
CSLI is not just ordinary third party records, and they have Fourth Amendment protection without a warrant. CSLI is collected surreptitiously while bank (Miller) and telephone tolls calls (Smith) are provided willingly and knowingly. Moreover, CSLI is far more intrusive … Continue reading
NJ requires court order to get telephone records, but PC not required
New Jersey requires a court order, albeit on less than probable cause, to get telephone records. To enable criminal investigations to proceed, probable cause isn’t required. State v. Lunsford, 2016 N.J. LEXIS 717 (Aug. 1, 2016) (syllabus):
CA4 en banc: CSLI is mere third-party information not requiring SW
CSLI is third-party information the government does not need a warrant to obtain. 221 days worth of information was admissible. It’s up to Congress or SCOTUS to change the third-party doctrine. United States v. Graham, 2016 U.S. App. LEXIS 9797 … Continue reading
New American: Obama Attacks Sen. Rand Paul for Protecting Fourth Amendment [but not trying to change the third-party doctrine]
New American: Obama Attacks Sen. Rand Paul for Protecting Fourth Amendment by Alex Newman. This is from a source I don’t post from because its stuff is almost always so constitutionally off the wall. This one is particularly worth comment, … Continue reading
techdirt: National Intelligence Office’s Top Lawyer Fires Off Spirited Defense Of Bulk Surveillance, Third Party Doctrine
techdirt: National Intelligence Office’s Top Lawyer Fires Off Spirited Defense Of Bulk Surveillance, Third Party Doctrine by Tim Cushing: Robert Litt, General Counsel for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, has been given space at the Yale Law … Continue reading
VT: Broad computer monitoring condition of a sex offender on probation had to be narrowed
A computer monitoring and internet bar probation condition of a convicted sex offender was modified to better match his circumstances. He can have access to the internet, and, on reasonable suspicion, the PO can search his computer. State v. Cornell, … Continue reading
Windows IT Pro: Microsoft to DOJ: The cloud isn’t an automatic Fourth Amendment exemption; challenging the third-party doctrine in the Cloud
Windows IT Pro: Microsoft to DOJ: The cloud isn’t an automatic Fourth Amendment exemption by Michael Morisy: Company fights government demands for secret searches of cloud customers