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"There have been powerful hydraulic pressures throughout our history that bear heavily on the Court to water down constitutional guarantees and give the police the upper hand. That hydraulic pressure has probably never been greater than it is today."
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"It is a fair summary of history to say that the safeguards of liberty have frequently been forged in controversies involving not very nice people. And so, while we are concerned here with a shabby defrauder, we must deal with his case in the context of what are really the great themes expressed by the Fourth Amendment."
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government officials who seek to do their jobs too well as by those whose purpose
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"In Germany, they first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic. Then they came for me–and by that time there was nobody left to speak up."
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“Children grow up thinking the adult world is ordered, rational, fit for purpose. It’s crap. Becoming a man is realising that it’s all rotten. Realising how to celebrate that rottenness, that’s freedom.”
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"The point of the Fourth Amendment, which often is not grasped by zealous officers, is not that it denies law enforcement the support of the usual inferences which reasonable men draw from evidence. Its protection consists in requiring that those inferences be drawn by a neutral and detached magistrate instead of being judged by the officer engaged in the often competitive enterprise of ferreting out crime."
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Category Archives: Rule 41(g) / Return of property
S.D.Ga.: Rule 41(g) doesn’t enable return of property the govt doesn’t have
Property not in the hands of the federal government cannot be ordered returned under Rule 41(g). Administratively forfeited case can’t be returned; there was a remedy. United States v. Morris, 2019 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 45071 (S.D.Ga. Mar. 19, 2019). Defendant’s … Continue reading
S.D.Ind.: Once there’s an indictment, a motion to suppress evidence is used rather than a motion for return of property
“Where, as here, an indictment has been filed and criminal proceedings are ongoing, the proper means for seeking return of seized property and to challenge the constitutionality of a search is a motion to suppress evidence.” United States v. Flick, … Continue reading
D.N.M.: The fact a SW might be invalid isn’t grounds for an injunction for return of property where prosecution was still contemplated
Plaintiff seeks an injunction contending that the seizure of tax resister literature violated the First and Fourth Amendment. The seizure was based on a warrant that it is evidence of a crime not yet prosecuted. The fact the Fourth Amendment … Continue reading
CA9: Court can’t order return of property govt doesn’t have
Defendant can’t get an order for return of property where he can’t show that the government even has it. United States v. Tziu-Uc, 2018 U.S. App. LEXIS 34105 (9th Cir. Dec. 4, 2018). Self-represented defendant claimed ineffective assistance of counsel … Continue reading
S.D.Cal.: Yahoo’s intensive internal investigation into CP trafficking reported to NCMEC and then law enforcement was purely private search
Yahoo conducted an extensive internal investigation with public source information and its own records to identify accounts trafficking in child pornography from the Philippines. They reported twice to law enforcement and to NCMEC, and then law enforcement got involved. Yahoo’s … Continue reading
LA1: Technical defect in oath for SW not ground to suppress
Technical defect in the oath in the search warrant application doesn’t warrant suppression of evidence. State v. Parker, 2018 La. App. LEXIS 2256 (La. App. 1 Cir. Nov. 10, 2018). A Rule 41(g) motion from pre-2000 seizure wasn’t timely in … Continue reading
W.D.Wash.: Govt showed cause to deny return of property until 2255 was over in case of retrial
Motion for return of cell phones is denied. The government intends to keep them pending the outcome of defendant’s 2255 or the running of the statute of limitations, which ever occurs first. That’s sufficient need to deny the motion. United … Continue reading
S.D.N.Y.: Court can’t return property under Rule 41(g) after civil forfeiture starts
Once a civil forfeiture proceeding has started, the court loses jurisdiction to consider a Rule 41(g) motion for return of property. United States v. Paulino, 2018 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 176893 (S.D. N.Y. Oct. 16, 2018). The seizure of defendant’s cell … Continue reading
CA9: Casual conversation with a motorist isn’t barred by Rodriguez despite officer’s motive
Casual conversation with a motorist during a traffic stop isn’t prohibited by Rodriguez even though the officer is hoping to pick up on something supporting reasonable suspicion. United States v. Kash, 2018 U.S. App. LEXIS 29057 (9th Cir. Oct. 16, … Continue reading
OH2: Motion for return of property after a forfeiture order is final is moot
A motion for return of property after a forfeiture order is final is moot. State v. Housley, 2018-Ohio-4140, 2018 Ohio App. LEXIS 4467 (2d Dist. Oct. 12, 2018). There was no Franks violation. Officers got permission from a child to … Continue reading
OR: Failure to appeal order denying return of property precludes later relief
Defendant’s denial of his motion for return of property was a final appealable order, and his failure to appeal foreclosed later recovery. State v. Fenton, 294 Ore. App. 48, 2018 Ore. App. LEXIS 1091 (Sep. 13, 2018). Defense counsel made … Continue reading
OH12: No return of storage media holding CP
Defendant sought return of the electronic storage media containing child pornography. Denied. State v. Van Tielen, 2018-Ohio-3421, 2018 Ohio App. LEXIS 3715 (12th Dist. Aug. 27, 2018). The officer opened defendant’s van door because he was justifiably looking for a … Continue reading
D.Minn.: Ptf was a bombing victim seeking return of property under equitable jurisdiction; 3 of 4 factors weigh against her, so denied
Plaintiff was a bombing victim and property was taken from her by consent. She wanted some of it back and brought an action under equitable jurisdiction for return of the property. “A district court’s exercise of equitable jurisdiction over a … Continue reading
NE: Court with jurisdiction over criminal case has jurisdiction to return property seized
When a criminal case is over, the defendant is entitled to return of non-contraband seized property from the court with jurisdiction over the criminal case. In an IFP case, the court declines to say that he pled wrong in seeking … Continue reading
CO: Person arrested at MJ grow but not charged can get his seized property back
An uncharged person originally arrested at an alleged illegal marijuana grow has standing to recover his own property seized from him. Boudette v. State, 2018 COA 109, 2018 Colo. App. LEXIS 1036 (July 26, 2018). Defendant’s bicycle rack on the … Continue reading
N.D.Iowa: Reasonable mistaken identity justified stop
Defendant’s stop was based on reasonable suspicion he was in the country illegally, but it was a case of mistaken identity. “Defendant was observed emerging from the vicinity of the target’s residence. Defendant closely resembled the target. Any discrepancy between … Continue reading
MS: No REP in calls from police station
Defendant’s calls from the police station after he was arrested admitted the marijuana in this case was his. The calls were admitted at trial, defense counsel challenging authentication. Defendant pro se argued a Fourth Amendment violation, but that is defaulted … Continue reading
OH2: Towing company couldn’t be ordered to return car without being heard
The trial court doesn’t have the power to order the towing company to return defendant’s car without it being heard. It does, however, have the power to order the police to return what it seized that it does not need … Continue reading