S.D. Ind. finds no PC but good faith, but then suppresses for a violation of substantive due process for interrogation of defendant’s young child at school for evidence against parents
Investigation started with an investigation of defendant’s child at school. The search warrant for defendant’s premises lacked probable cause because it was hearsay on hearsay and uncorroborated, but it was sufficient under GFE. Court suppresses, however, for violation of the family’s right of parent-child privacy under the due process clause. United States v. McCotry, 2006 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 62777 (S.D. Ind. July 13, 2006):
The court’s findings of fact do not fit completely with either side’s views of the case. All of the evidence pertaining to marijuana upon which the warrant was issued came from an interview of Hollingsworth’s daughter by school social worker Hoyt. The interview took place during instructional time at the elementary school after Hoyt pulled T.H. from class at the request of Officer Denny. The evidence was gathered for the sole purpose of pursuing a criminal investigation of Hollingsworth, and not for any child protective purpose, such as investigating child abuse or neglect.
In light of the court’s factual findings, the question presented here is whether the police may interrogate a young elementary school child at a public school (using a school personnel member as the interrogator) for the sole purpose of a criminal investigation of the child’s parent and not for any purpose relating to child protection, such as in cases of suspected abuse or neglect. Under the court’s findings, this issue is not identical to those argued by the parties, but it is closely related to them. Defendants have made it clear that they believe the school authorities acted improperly in questioning T.H. as part of a criminal investigation, so that the results of the questioning should not have been available to pursue a search of the apartment.
Questions like this do not arise often. Relevant case law is scarce. American police appear not to have made a habit of investigating a parent’s suspected crimes by interrogating young children, especially by using the child’s required presence at school to do so, and by using the friendly and familiar school personnel to carry out the interrogation.
A full discussion of the Fourteenth Amendment’s substantive due process protection of family privacy and family relationships is well beyond the scope of this decision. This court’s reasoning is built in large part on the foundations of the dissenting opinions in United States v. Penn, 647 F.2d 876 (9th Cir. 1980) (en banc), and in particular on the dissenting opinion of then Circuit Judge (now Justice) Kennedy, which relied on cases that recognize a fundamental liberty and privacy interest in family relationships. Some general principles are worth noting.
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The police-sponsored interrogation of T.H. in this case intruded much further into the private sphere of the family, and on the basis of far less evidence or reason for suspicion, than occurred in either Penn or Davies. The police here decided to investigate the suspicious but ambiguous reference to “stuff” only by using T.H.’s state-mandated presence in a public school to question her, and they did so by using the familiar face of the school social worker to carry out the interrogation. The social worker’s questioning of T.H., acting as an agent of the police, must be viewed as a custodial interrogation of the young child. T.H. could not have felt free to leave, even if she had been in a position to make a truly voluntary decision about whether to answer questions about her mother. See Doe v. Heck, 327 F.3d 492, 510 (7th Cir. 2003) (finding that fourth grade student was seized within meaning of Fourth Amendment when child welfare officials had him removed from class in private school and took him to secluded part of school to question him). Nor could T.H. have felt free not to answer the social worker’s questions, given her young age, the setting, and the social worker’s authority as a school official.
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"A system of law that not only makes certain conduct criminal, but also lays down rules for the conduct of the authorities, often becomes complex in its application to individual cases, and will from time to time produce imperfect results, especially if one's attention is confined to the particular case at bar. Some criminals do go free because of the necessity of keeping government and its servants in their place. That is one of the costs of having and enforcing a Bill of Rights. This country is built on the assumption that the cost is worth paying, and that in the long run we are all both freer and safer if the Constitution is strictly enforced." —Williams v. Nix, 700 F. 2d 1164, 1173 (8th Cir. 1983) (Richard Sheppard Arnold, J.), rev'd Nix v. Williams, 467 US. 431 (1984).
"The criminal goes free, if he must, but it is the law that sets him free. Nothing can destroy a government more quickly than its failure to observe its own laws, or worse, its disregard of the charter of its own existence." —Mapp v. Ohio, 367 U.S. 643, 659 (1961).
"Any costs the exclusionary rule are costs imposed directly by the Fourth Amendment."
—Yale Kamisar, 86 Mich.L.Rev. 1, 36 n. 151 (1987).
"There have been powerful hydraulic pressures throughout our history that bear heavily on the Court to water down constitutional guarantees and give the police the upper hand. That hydraulic pressure has probably never been greater than it is today." — Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, 39 (1968) (Douglas, J., dissenting).
"The great end, for which men entered into society, was to secure their property." —Entick v. Carrington, 19 How.St.Tr. 1029, 1066, 95 Eng. Rep. 807 (C.P. 1765)
"It is a fair summary of history to say that the safeguards of liberty have frequently been forged in controversies involving not very nice people. And so, while we are concerned here with a shabby defrauder, we must deal with his case in the context of what are really the great themes expressed by the Fourth Amendment." —United States v. Rabinowitz, 339 U.S. 56, 69 (1950) (Frankfurter, J., dissenting)
"The course of true law pertaining to searches and seizures, as enunciated here, has not–to put it mildly–run smooth." —Chapman v. United States, 365 U.S. 610, 618 (1961) (Frankfurter, J., concurring).
"A search is a search, even if it happens to disclose nothing but the bottom of a turntable." —Arizona v. Hicks, 480 U.S. 321, 325 (1987)
"For the Fourth Amendment protects people, not places. What a person knowingly exposes to the public, even in his own home or office, is not a subject of Fourth Amendment protection. ... But what he seeks to preserve as private, even in an area accessible to the public, may be constitutionally protected." —Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347, 351 (1967)
“Experience should teach us to be most on guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.” —United States v. Olmstead, 277 U.S. 438, 479 (1925) (Brandeis, J., dissenting)
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"In Germany, they first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic. Then they came for me–and by that time there was nobody left to speak up."
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"The point of the Fourth Amendment, which often is not grasped by zealous officers, is not that it denies law enforcement the support of the usual inferences which reasonable men draw from evidence. Its protection consists in requiring that those inferences be drawn by a neutral and detached magistrate instead of being judged by the officer engaged in the often competitive enterprise of ferreting out crime." —Johnson v. United States, 333 U.S. 10, 13-14 (1948)
The book was dedicated in the first (1982) and sixth (2025) editions to Justin William Hall (1975-2025). He was three when this project started in 1978.